Stretch V11 vs Bowels of the Devil V10 🤙
First up, I don’t think these should be separate climbs. I don’t think people should be rewarded with extra grades for not using the easiest sequence. That being said, here are my thoughts on these climbs, and why I’ve listed Stretch as a separate climb.
Stretch is much harder than BotD. By a lot. I’m no where near the limit of physical strength. My upper body strength actually is my biggest weakness (surprise 😅), yet BotD was pretty easy for me to get. Some say it’s soft, others say it’s nails. I’ve seen grades proposed from V8 up to V11 by really strong climbers (most around V10). I’m not here to comment on it’s grade. I can however, say that I’m right at the pointy end of mobility. I’m currently working on oversplits (going beyond a 180 degree split) which for a male at my height (6ft) is super uncommon. Stretch was still quite doable for me, but still harder than BotD. It’s probably harder than V11, but this is why I don’t think it should exist as a line. It uses the same hands as BotD, and all feet should be in for both lines imo. It seems cheap to claim 2 extra grades on a line with an existing sequence just because I chose to do it another way. Don’t get me wrong, I love how ridiculously stupid Stretch is, and know it’ll probably never see a repeat, I don’t really care about that. I did it my way because it was fun, and I enjoyed the movement. However, to be constantly badgered by people insisting that I skipped the crux of some line by finding an alternative method, is not only tiresome, but also hurtful when I know how much harder some of my sequences genuinely are. Not all of them are, I know, but I so rarely ever comment on grades because of how subjective they are, and how much harder or easier something can feel for someone. It’s such a vile thing to talk about how soft a climb is that someone is projecting, that suits your strengths and not theirs. This line exists because there a people out there who insist that their subjective ideas of climbing ethics are right and everyone else is wrong. Maybe climbing would be better off if neither the line nor those people existed...
Just some ramblings.
Fun boulder problems! Been bouldering for 1 year now. Just cancelled my membership, so I don’t come in too often lol my tendonitis acts up a lot during bouldering. just using bouldering to get a stronger grip for calisthenics